Posts by Las Malvinas son Argentinas

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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Who wrote the statement LMsA posted on page 789 because I can't read it. Can anyone post a link please?

It was a comment placed under the Tibor interview video on YouTube. I'll split it into three parts

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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that's where he lives...A one bedroom apartment in an attic... I think he will do more and more live video in there, He said the studio is half an hour drive , and also he doesn't need to pay Tibor for them too...

It seems plausible that Tibor lives at Ramacro. I watched the video tour and it had two bedrooms in addition to the studio, a living area, toilet facilities, a kitchen and laundry room. That's a lot of room to just let sit idle. And 30 minutes from his attic in the centre of Zagreb places you out of the city. It's actually half the way to Sisak if it is in that direction. Lloyd says he pays $450 for his flat in the centre of Zagreb. This might be about the same or even less if it is in a more rural locality. The right to live there might make up most if not all of Tibor's salary.

Since Tibor stated that he had difficulty getting a job in Croatia and that Lloyd is his only employer ever, he probably lived with his mother up until last year.

Also plausible is that Dijana and the girls live there, but Tibor seems more likely. There has to be someone living there one would think.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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My guess is that he had a lot of previously recorded videos before he lost the studio

How do we know he lost the studio? Did he say he was shutting it down for sure? I know he threatened "drastically scale down" in his begging tweet but that's the last I heard of it.

If he is indeed shutting it down, then what's he doing with the "amazing response" he crowdfunded as a result of his begging? I thought that was to save Ramacro? If he's shutting it down anyway, all those people just gave him what amounts to personal donations and he's in violation of his 280 patrons promise of enhancing his studio. He even stated he "won't turn the lights out on Ramacro just yet". So he ended shutting it down anyway despite the money he received to save it?

FYI - he's at 412 Patrons, which is a gain of 6 from the monthly drop. If he doesn't get it to round 420 in a couple weeks, he'll likely drop below 400 again, thus wiping out most of his gains from the bump he gained from begging.

I'm curious because if he's not at least keeping the status quo at 400+ patrons plus whatever he got through Paypal, this is one hell of a scam he's running even by Lloyd standards.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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What an utter clown and vile low-life piece of shit to do such a thing. To harass people like that, who have nothing todo with anything, is purely hateful and vindictive.

There was more to it. Tom was being shunned by his parents and it was for this shitty reason that they finally reached out to him. Tom’s mum per his description was no fool and didn’t suffer them either. She essentially told him she wasn’t buying any of it and to stop calling. Lloyd or whoever it was calling on his behalf just went off on his mum. It wasn’t just a prank call with an idle threat. It ended with a comment to the effect of “pay up or you might just get your throat slit”.

Lloyd was asking in his FB post for Tom’s info. His real last name was only known by his close friends so he apparently got a former friend to leak it to him. Though we can’t be certain that it was Lloyd who called based on what Tom’s mum told him, we can be certain the call was placed by Lloyd or at his behest. No one else had a “reason” to call his parents.

TIBOR - Since we’re speaking about those acts of kindness your boss regularly dishes out, can you get your boss to comment on the call placed to Tom’s mother?

Those bloody phone calls are rarely if ever new leavers and the questions are so asinine.

Exactly. Even a secular therapist/advice columnist/talk show host/old man sitting in a chair by the front door could answer them and give effective advice. A lot of them seem planted because they are so predictable and are good for bringing certain topics up by demand.

”I’m gay and my parents shun me. What should I do??”

”My JW ex has my dog and won’t return him!”

”I want to leave the JWs! How do I quit?”

Hmmm tough one. Stop going to meetings and out in field service. Report no time. When the elders call, hang up. If they harass you at your home tell them to leave or you will call the police. Whoever shuns you for going inactive or whatever, then they weren’t your real friends. Same with parents. YOU ARE A JW AND YOU KNOW EXACTLY THE METHODS OF QUITTING AND THE VARIOUS CONSEQUENCES SO WHY ARE YOU ASKING THIS QUESTION!?!?

Then you’ll hear the legendary story of Lloyd’s dad not opening the door when he placed his girl there as a prop and then told her that grandpa doesn’t want to see her.

Next question to appear on Lloyd’s voicemail:

My sister is pregnant and it could only be one of three elders or the circuit overseer who is the father. WHAT SHOULD I DO?!?

I know because I’m leaving him this voicemail right now.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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Threatened Tom’s (JW Fairy Tales) dying mother by demanding money and the deed to their house as compensation for Tom’s comments about him.
I have been following Lloyd's shenanigans for a decade and hadn't heard about this.

Tom elaborated about this on his last two livestream appearances:

Litigation Update - YouTube

Between The Lines With "The Magnificent Seven" LIVE - YouTube

He also crowdfunded funds for a lawsuit that never materialised.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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The fucking nerve of Tibor to suggest we can all benefit from Lloyd’s “acts of kindness”. As he stated, he has only been in Lloyd’s employ since January 2021. Perhaps he’s missed a few of these “acts of kindness”. Here’s another list:

Getting people banned and/or bullied into silence on this forum for disagreement with him.

Introducing Dijana on the forum and falsely suggesting that her English wasn’t great and that she’d be more comfortable trading recipes with other women than talking about any important topics.

Bullying and gaslighting of Shyla Huntley and calling her parents crazy for defending her

Going on the attack as President of AAWA. Calling people liars who said they’ve been doxxed and outted as apostates due to the AAWA FB group.

Abandoning his newborn child with Dijana and Marc Latham on the ground floor at a London event so he could seek out a podium.

Bootlegging COC with Arthur Weber and then lying about his involvement and the illegality of it.

Attacking the copyright owner Debbie Dykstra for what he deemed as incompetence due to her advanced age. Also attacked her personally as being influenced by perceived enemies of his on his Reddit thread.

Posting a vengeful FB post calling out Marc Latham for sending out a private AAWA email leaked to him that criticised Lloyd for copyright infringement.

Policing people’s “likes” on Facebook and sent them snotty DMs telling them they are being defriended for liking a post by Marc or Mike and Kim.

Relentlessly bullied fellow JW Podcast host Louise Goode all through the weekend for the crime of saying she thought Jonathan Sanders was doing a good job. Forced a public apology out of her.

Attempted to sabotage the Warwick protest organised by the VAA by influencing his then friend and fanboy Truth Seeker Atheist to call the police, saying they were “aggressive” and “terrorists”.

Sent out abusive DMs to people who attended the protest because Joel Martz was there.

Threatened Tom’s (JW Fairy Tales) dying mother by demanding money and the deed to their house as compensation for Tom’s comments about him.

Grifted $20K to publish TRA and had UK exJWs organise his events for free. Brusquely informed organiser Lydia Finch that she had to purchase his book when she asked if she could borrow a copy to read.

Charged a cover fee to enter his section of the UK coffee shoppe during the signing event when it was against the rules of that business which was letting him sign there at no cost.

Manipulated Kameron Fader into deleting comments asking about why he was removed as an elder.

Charged CSA survivors $150 to have their story published in his second book.

Attacked CSA Survivor and ARC participant “BCG” online for refusing permission for her story to be published in a book by one of his associates. Said she was being controlled and influenced by his “haters”.

Initiating countless flame wars on social media with people who disagreed with him.

Left Jillian Adams responsible for the nonrefundable deposit on the venue for the December 2021 “Aposdate with Lloyd Evans” when he cancelled, claiming illness but was really going to Thailand.

Slightly admonished Producer Bob for suggesting he see the elephants, saying he was concerned about their abuse. Had no such qualms as he paid for sex with exploited and trafficked women.

Called his wife a head-fuck when she tried to pull out of an open marriage demand.

Humiliated his wife on a livestream saying she was not sexually compatible with him.

Hurled abusive tweets at Kim Silvio and set his goon squad upon her for revealing things he confirmed in his livestream.

Threatened to sue Andrew Gold for the crime of doing his job as a journalist and having Kim on for her side of the story.

Sent out extortion letters through his attorney to 12 individuals demanding huge sums of money which would have bankrupted a few of his targets.

Sued 7 individuals in Sisak Municipal Court for expressing their rights of free speech in their criticism of Lloyd’s vile behaviour.

Taunted others on social media with threats of “criminal prosecution” and labelled the M7 as “criminal defendants”.

Sent out abusive tweets and WhatsApp msgs to Jillian Adams and Sarah Davies for criticising him.

Posted a 3 page open letter to Kim Silvio threatening to stalk her for the next 40 years until he’s enacted his revenge.

Engaged in a personal vendetta against Jake Vaughn for shortcomings he admitted to and more importantly, apologised for.

TIBOR - If you are reading this, I invite you to return to this forum to discuss the points outlined above. You will be treated with respect as long as you don’t engage in personal attacks. I understand the delicate position you are in as you related in your video regarding being financially dependent upon Lloyd and the difficulties in finding employment in Croatia. But you’ve made a lot of puzzling allegations against a lot of people whilst conveniently ignoring all the issues with your boss. Your comments about Lloyd’s “acts of kindness” are particularly troubling when there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. Can you agree that the “acts of kindness” that you refer to can be negated and even overwhelmed by acts of abuse from the same source? I genuinely wonder what you’ve been told and if you are aware of these past events. This isn’t about any “green screen” conspiracy. This is your opportunity to bring your receipts. We have plenty of them regarding Lloyd, plus many personal testimonials from the people abused by Lloyd Evans. We can connect you with these people directly should you wish to hear the full story. Please don’t fall into the “JW Mindset” and refuse to hear info that is detrimental to your boss and his “company”.

Sincerely,

The Conspiracy Theorists and nutcases on JWN.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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I keep hearing a lot about people being judgmental. The real head fuck here (to borrow a term from Lloyd) is that him and now Tibor have been quite judgmental themselves and the only trigger seems to be criticism of Lloyd. A line has been drawn. If you continue to support Lloyd after all this you are truly an awakened exJW. If you took issue with his deception, lies, bully tactics and financial grift, then you have the judgmental JW mindset.

Tibor has no excuse to think this way. He’s been to Lloyd’s home and has met the family multiple times. He knows now how damaging Lloyd’s behaviour has been and has witnessed daily evidence of this in the form of a broken family and Lloyd now living as a bachelor in Zagreb. What does Tibor think about the emotional and verbal abuse Lloyd has engaged in for years against his wife whom he knows personally? Does Tibor think those two girls aren’t going to be permanently damaged by the actions his boss took? He’s also seen the livestream and Lloyd’s consistent verbal attacks and outright threats ever since. Absolutely no context was provided and had one only watched that video they’d assume that Lloyd was bullied by judgmental exJWs. As they say in software coding, this was by design. We’re a “nightmare to navigate” as if Lloyd hadn’t deceived everyone by fleeing to Thailand under the guise of a mental health break and has been on the warpath ever since.

But we’re the “nightmare”. Certainly not Lloyd, who’s been kind, levelheaded and certainly hasn’t engaged in any toxicity of his own making for the past year.

Are people being “judgmental” to raise questions as to how much money is being donated to this “company” (their words) and what the funds are actually being used for? Are they saying it’s OK to ask that question about WT, but judgmental to ask the same about Lloyd’s company? Aren’t we supposed to question things, especially considering all of WT’s financial misdeeds and that grift perpetuated upon us as longtime members? He wants to have it both ways - he encourages JWs to question and be critical of their religion but wants it to immediately stop the minute they start following and donating to him.

They brought up the Selters video. Isn’t it odd that whilst they are both proud of it, Lloyd won’t watch it and acted like it was traumatising for him? The subject of the entire video as well as Lloyd’s main collaborator who was listed in the opening credits are now at odds with Lloyd. Has Tibor ever stopped to consider why? Seriously Tibor, make a list of the people you’ve just accused of having a judgmental mindset based on their feelings about what Lloyd did and continues to do. I’ll help you get started.

Judgmental people like those at the Kingdom Hall:

Kim Silvio and the M7

The additional 5 people who were sent threat letters by Novosel (Jake Vaughn, Cappytan, JWBD, etc)

Ben Foard

John Maple

Jillian Adams

Sarah Davies

Jason Wynne

Javier Ortiz

Mark O’Donnell

Andrew Gold

Dr Sohom Das

Kameron Fader

Simon Green

Mentally Diseased (Jeremy)

Jan Frode Nilsen

Ashtyn & Jon (YT Commentators with 250K subs)

Wally Barnett

Coach Dee Free

Shelly Dean-Braieoux (BCG from the Aus. Royal Commission)

Louise Goode

Shelise Ann Sola (Cult to Consciousness, former Mormon)

Angel DeSantis (Former cult member - Children of God)

Plåt Jonas (Goatlike Personality)

That’s quite the list. Might just be easier to make a list of who is not judgmental in the JW sense:

Lloyd Evans

Tibor Cecelja

Jay the Comedian

Jana Monteiro

Amanda Blackett (Leica Fox)

Or maybe, just maybe, your friend and employer Lloyd Evans is the one with the real problem here. Food for thought, Tibor.

PS - The green screen controversy lasted for about a week and was only touted by a handful of people on this forum. Considering all the other issues with your boss, you were really scraping the bottom of the barrel on this one. It was just a red herring of yours to distract Lloyd’s audience from the real issues. Hope this helps. JWN can really be a good source of information, diversity of thoughts and absolutely spot on observations of who your boss really is. Consider this post as an “act of kindness”, but I won’t expect a free bowl of soup for the trouble.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Las Malvinas son Argentinas

Tibor: “I just wanted to touch on what you mentioned about the exJW community. To me, sort of delayed this big revelation about JWs is how calling yourself an exJW and being on the surface an exJW doesn’t make you an exJW and how much of it sticks deep inside how many forms of behaviour, how it’s obvious that someone is still deep inside the JWs and you know with things that happened to you and you know with the people involved it’s just now when I see some of you know something I… the curiosity gets the best of me and I go off and read some of the things they are saying and it’s just so sort of revealing that these people aren’t exJWs. They might have exited officially but the cult indoctrination and the programming is still there which is really sad, and I hope that all of them get better for a lack of a better word. That they realise that it’s that what they are doing and the way they are behaving is not in any way I don’t want to say normal… I won't go into any details, but I have read a lot of stuff and a lot of stuff about me, and you know people not believing that my name is my name … you know the whole green screen thing.

It’s a conspiracy theory like when someone zooms in on the sky and says that is a UFO and that’s basically how those people were like oh there’s some fuzziness around Lloyd’s shoulder. Must be green screen so and I’m guessing that they went on a google search extravaganza for my name. I’m guessing so because someone has called me out on for not being me, my name Tibor but called me by my friend’s name, my friend who’s not even my friend he’s like my classmate from high school and I don’t know how they got through to his name I’m guessing maybe some post from him that included me on Facebook or something but it was quite like what are you doing… (Lloyd interjects that he hasn’t told him any of this) They’ve called me by my classmate’s name. They were saying like Tibor or should I say and then my classmate’s name. But a few pages before I think shortly after the green screen theory, they posted the front page of my undergraduate thesis which is on green screens.

Lloyd: We’re talking about a forum now so exJWs posted your video thesis...

Tibor: Not my video thesis but the screen grab of the front page of the text version, basically the literary part of my thesis which clearly has my name on it, there’s no way I could fake a name onto a thesis.

Lloyd: That’s messed up isn’t it. That’s more than what you signed up for really.

Tibor: And they were like oh you can see he’s done like green screen work so this much be green screen and stuff like that. To me it’s funny but also in a way it’s also sad because I don’t know how many people believe them and if they believe them, I don’t know how many people think the same way. I’m all for critical thinking and doubting things but when you start to doubt literally everything like how do you live with yourself, how do you call yourself an ex-cult member when you’re just like creating a cult in your head where nothing is true and no one is to be believed and I’m just by being associated with you, being your video editor it was enough for them and when I went on the forum actually and I was just like I thought like some of these people must be like rational people that I can just tell them look this is silly, this isn’t green screen and I honestly wish I could do green screen this well because then we wouldn’t even need to have a studio because I would just do this for a living. I was immediately attacked, no this must be Lloyd because I used a word, some word which is used all the time you know when in common conversations, but you know it’s used every day…

Lloyd: So they said you were me

Tibor: Yeah, I was you before using that word. So, stuff like that I hope that those people do get better and people who are actually proper exJWs who don’t have that sort of mentality I hope they find some help in our videos on how to navigate the life.

Lloyd: You don’t mean that like patronizing it’s genuinely you know.

Tibor: I mean I really want people to get you know help. Whoever gets help from our channel and gets …. Some sort of idea like on which direction they should go and stuff like that because we do have a lot of voicemails and some of those are a great thing to listen to as someone who is probably just who has just left the JW organisation and you could probably get some good info on sorting things out because it must be like we saw with Ben, you need to sort out so many things that we get for granted, or like we take for granted so I do hope that people do.

Lloyd: I feel like I need to apologise in a way because again that sort of thing where you’re having your basically privacy invaded on an online forum is above and beyond anything that you signed up for when you took the job and I think that’s the sort of kind of essentially harassment that would drive many people away. I think I need to thank you for sticking it out despite all that and all I would say is although there are … and I don’t want to get into exJW nonsense, I kind of make a point of not talking about it on the channel but one thing I’ve learned that although there is a disappointing kind of percentage of exJWs who are like this and who are not just kind of hyper-judgmental, but kind of borderline conspiracy theorists, nutcases. In all that’s happened over the past year, it’s also been a source of great reassurance to know that there are ex exJWs who have shed their judgmental side and who do understand that everyone is imperfect and gets to screw up now and then. I’m really really heartened by that and I draw great comfort from knowing that there are people who are kind and supportive and who believe in what we’re doing and when I say that I include you because for you to kind of stick it out through all that’s happened over the last 12 months and still be punching you know is a huge testament to your kind of resilience so thank you for still working for me. Thanks for taking my paycheque!

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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I haven't watched the video

Don't give him the views. I'll try to give you a synopsis that is edited for brevity's sake.

Lloyd is in a very great mood throughout the video, always laughing at his own jokes and it's clear that Tibor is one of his few friends if not the only one he has. He clearly pleased he is doing this for him. A lot of it is small talk between friends.

Tibor is asked why Lloyd is the best boss ever, Tibor replies that he’s his only boss ever. He has been working with Lloyd since the beginning of 2021. Tibor answered an ad Lloyd placed in English. He needed a job badly due to the pandemic. Croatia doesn’t have much of a need for his skills so he was desperate.

He says the fact that the ad was in English and the job being in Sisak was unusual. Lloyd responded immediately. Tibor keeps referring to Lloyd’s activism endeavours as "a company" and so does Lloyd. There was an actual application he had to fill out (100% Lloyd here, he loves to make things he does out to be so important). Interview was over Zoom. Tibor was happy to not work for a Croatian company – it’s very difficult to get a job in Croatia. Lloyd speaks of a second interview where Tibor came to his house. Tibor had suspicions it was a scam. Lloyd claimed he had to pitch the job to him.

Tibor is an atheist and so were his parents. His grandmother was Catholic and they were close, so Tibor was an altar boy. Lloyd was very obsessed with this story and wanted to know all about what altar boys do. This is where the interview got really boring and 10 minutes could have easily been cut. To sum it up, religion never clicked with Tibor and he eventually left the church.

His only JW contact was when his parents got divorced and his mother was vulnerable. His mum had a few Bible Studies that Tibor attended but they never went to the Kindgom Hall.

The interview then pivots into the work Tibor is doing now for Lloyd. Lloyd ominously begins it with this:

“It’s safe to say that 2021 was significantly easier on us as a company than 2022”

Tibor is asked loaded questions about if he has any regrets. Tibor wisely responds that if he had any he would have quit. He says he enjoys the job and how they help people, particularly answering voicemails. Feels very altruistic about it, says it’s all about helping people. Lloyd steers him towards what the video is really about by saying the job is emotionally draining and this:

“But there is also the nonsense in dealing with the exJW community which can be an absolute nightmare to navigate”

This is at about the midway point of the video and here's where the propaganda about the grand and altruistic things they are doing together is in full swing. Lloyd relates that they get a lot of positive feedback for their acts of kindness towards helping people. Ramacro and his home are two different locations as he says he has to go from one to the other. When heading to Ramacro, he relates that the owner of a restaurant he frequents gave him a free bowl of soup for his patronage, which “really lifted me”. (Lloyd REALLY enjoys having other people give him things he wants for free. It's the quickest way to his heart). Describes the free soup as an “act of kindness” and compares it to people seeing his videos and experiencing the same thing. Tibor then goes on about karma and how his and Lloyd’s acts of kindness will be rewarded.

“I am so happy we are helping people, not for my own dopamine rush or to hope that karma is going to return everything, but it’s nice to see that people are helped in some way.” – Tibor

Lloyd asks about what Tibor's favourite videos of his are. He went into great detail about each, but to save you the time, they are the Dave Gracey and Chris Stuckman interviews, and the Ben Foard Bethel escape video.

It's important to note that Ben Foard has been critical of Lloyd over the scandal and Lloyd has blocked him. Tibor brought Ben up, but Lloyd was clearly uncomfortable talking about him.

“I can’t watch that. Without wanting to go into all of that stuff. I just can’t watch it, but I’m glad that it’s there, and that it exists and that we made it and I’m also proud of how well we made it. Even though for various reasons that we don’t need to go into I just can’t watch it.” - Lloyd

So, he thinks it's great but can't watch because Ben is no longer a financial supporter. Thought it was all about helping people?

Tibor replies:

“I do understand that angle. Regardless of anything I am really glad that I got to meet Ben, to hear his stories.”

They took Ben to McDonald's and clearly relished what a great deal it had meant to Ben and implied how Lloyd was so gracious to pay for the meal.

For those who insist on watching, 45:49 is where the real video begins. Lloyd starts it off with an awkward laugh and looked at Tibor like this is where he's going to begin his rant about exJWs not supporting him. He was right.

“I’ll try not to go off into a rant” -Tibor “You can if you want” -Lloyd

Sorry for the long transcription but you really need to read this in its entirety. I'll put my transcription in the next post. Tibor's English is not perfect, so there was a lot of hesitation and word combinations that didn't make sense.

Tibor went after the forum, the green screen controversy and called us nutcases and conspiracy theorists. Says we are all stuck in the JW cult even though we have left. He pointed out when he was questioned as to whether he was Lloyd or another Croatian name and complained about people talking about his thesis which happened to be all about greenscreens. Tibor suggested we all could benefit from watching Lloyd's videos so that we can drop the JW mindset we all carry.

Jabba the Hutt had the final word and he complained about the percentages of people who have stopped supporting him, and how Tibor and himself are being harassed. Anyway, I'll paste it in my next post.